x264 quality sample

[Elmo]

There was some talk in the threads about introducing x264 or Xvid.
Here is an example of one of my personal encodes i did in x264 it is at 1200kbps which your mpeg-1 videos seem to be in, audio is AAC-LC which is ipod compliant as is x264 though in this encode i don't think it is pretty sure the bitrate is too high or maybe the resolution dunno i think ipods are limited to 640x480, anyway back to the point it is muxed to .mp4 as it's less confusing for people to play it and is also ipod compliant, although i do think matroska .mkv is a much better format and should be promoted, if you can't play the file just download cccp(combined community codec pack) and install it should play in windows media player or whatever just fine then, for mac osx the easiest would be vlc as i'm not familiar with mac osx and vlc sucks in my opinion but will be fine for this. i cropped out black bars in this video as it's just out of habit i always do it, i noticed videopimp seems to leave them in.

I recorded using a dvd recorder straight from t.v, got the file off dvd using dvd decrypter, did encoding from the source to x264 video and AAC-LC audio using megui media encoder and did all cropping and de-interlacing and filtering in there via avisynth script editor in it, i used 2-pass HQ-slower profile at 1200 kbps for x264 and 192kbps for AAC-LC i muxed it using YAMB but for muxing to matroska .mkv i used mkvtoolnix.

I can write a tutorial on encoding to x264 if anyone wants it and any discussion is appreciated.

Here's the file enjoy =] : http://www.uploading.com/files/S7BY811I/Avenged_Sevenfold_-_Dear_God.mp4.html

[Frenchy]

Ok Elmo here's some tips, I doubt VP will be restricted to iPod limitations. Since 1500kbps at 640x480 would be appauling on most videos.
As for the low bitrate I think when we do encode in XviD we'll would stay as far away from VCD as possible.
And judging your source looks American, and when deinterlaced can look terrible without heaps and heaps of filters.

To make a good sample should something live (since they have heaps of motion and generally are better quality)
And filmed by the station or from country with the same Video Format eg. NTSC or PAL who cares about res.
Frame Rate differences and interlace is where most quality can be lost.

And most editing in megui can lose you some quality if you don't know what you're doing.

Anyway I made an Watermarked XviD sample.
It's of an upcoming VP release (The Kooks - Naive (Abbey Road))
I capture generally MPEG-2 about DVD quality since my drivers have a problem with lossless .avi capture most of the time.

The source was the channel MAX (720x576i 16:9 25fps)
The actual show Abbey Road is shot in HD but scaled down to 720x576 but it's progressive since it's only 25fps, Not 50fields.

Since it's progressive no Deinterlace is needed, so it's already good quality :D

Download the Sample video HERE (http://www.mediafire.com/?3tulzgnyi4w)

To encode I set up an avisynth script in megui and made my own alterations.
Mainly to add the Donald Graft Logo VirtualDub Filter.
It's manual in avisynth but can be previewed when the .avs script is opened in VirtualDub

I encoded in XviD using A Quantizer encode, Had it set to Quantizer 2 so very little quality loss. The Final bitrate was >3000kbps and looks great.
Audio was just a basic Lame MP3 encode and set to 192kbps.

The Script is used to encode the video looks something like this:


DGDecode_mpeg2source("C:\CAPTURE\2008-07-29\The Kooks - Naive (Live From Abbey Road).d2v")
crop( 10, 4, 8, -2)
function VD_Logo(clip clip, int "x", int "y", int "alpha", bool "transparent",
\ int "xr", int "xg", int "xb", int "tolerance", string "filename",
\ bool "animate", int "start", int "duration", int "loops",
\ int "fadeinlen", int "fadeoutend", int "fadeoutlen")
{
LoadVirtualdubPlugin("C:\virtualdub mod\plugins"
\ +"\logo.vdf", "_VD_Logo", 1)
return clip._VD_Logo(default(x,0), default(y,0), default(alpha,128),
\ default(transparent,true)?1:0, default(xr,0), default(xg,0),
\ default(xb,255),default(tolerance,0), default
\ (filename,"C:\David's Folder\virtualdub mod\plugins\Frenchy Logo.bmp"),
\ default(animate,false)?1:0, default(start,0), default(duration,0),
\ default(loops,0),default(fadeinlen,0),
\ default(fadeoutend,200), default(fadeoutlen,0))
}
ConvertToRGB()
VD_logo(30,500,240,true,0,0,0,10,"C:\virtualdub mod\plugins\Frenchy Logo.bmp",false,320,0,0,25,700,25)
ConvertToYV12()
Spline36Resize(672,384)See the results for yourself.
Phew!

[Elmo]

My source is european, it looks american because of the amount of cropping on it.

standard defintion t.v is ALWAYS interlaced , only enhanced def 576p and HD 720p and 1080p is progressive so you'll only get progressive from a high definition channel. Unless you misunderstood what you were reading as 50 fields is 25fps, it's just interlaced does 2 fields for every frame, but progressive renders the entire frame at once for each frame.

True the deinterlacing process will give a little quality loss, frame rate differences shouldn't.
I don't really understand how you got a deinterlaced source from standard def t.v, unless you're using a video card to record and it's doing hardware deinterlacing.

Doing a quantizer 2 encode seems rediculous it's just terrible overkill, like 3000kbps =0 that's crazy, x264 will give better results than Xvid and encoding music videos which are only around 5minutes long anyway the extra time shouldn't be too bad.

My encode is almost the same quality as the source i noticed slight blocking on one bit but another 100kbps would've sorted that out, granted my source is pretty much just black&white, but for x264 encoding, video bitrates of 1500 to 1900kbps should definitely suffice, generally i do an AQ (average quality) encode of 18 to roughly find the bitrate i should use for a source, i then do a 2 pass HQ-slower encode using the bitrate i got from AQ or maybe something higher or lower depending on me.

AAC is a much better quality lossy audio format than mp3 so check that out you can use nero encoder which you can install in megui i think there might be others in megui but no sure.

.AVI is a really bad choice of container due to the amount of overhead it creates [Quoted from wikipedia] "There is significant overhead when used with popular MPEG-4 codecs (Xvid and DivX, for example), increasing file size more than necessary. The AVI container has no native support for modern MPEG-4 features like B-Frames" [quoted from here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVI#Continued_use ]

Sorry if i sound mean or anything.
Might check out that Donald Graft Logo VirtualDub Filter seems pretty cool with the little logo didn't know you could add things like that with avisynth.

:clapping:Good encode by the way, albeit just a tad over the top.

Might do an encode of a muse concert they did for MTV2 i have recorded might come out nicer as the Dear God video is kinda blurred and fuzzy as whatever effect they had going for the music video. The muse concert might give a better example although not sure what quality i set the recording at should be fine tho.

If you could give me any info on that Donald Graft Logo VirtualDub Filter or anything that adds visible images or captions or whatever stuff like that, as i only know video optimizing filters in avisynth.

Anyhoo you should try AQ to find a bitrate and using HQ-slower or slowest 2-pass encode, or whatever equivalent is for Xvid, tho if you wanna try out x264 it'd be pretty cool.
AAC is pretty sweet too so check that out too, oh and the .mp4 and .mkv containers.

If you have any questions before you wanna try just let me know =] Good Luck

[Elmo]

Okay the encode of the muse live i've got is too low res for a sample it's like (352x288) MPEG2.

I've got My Chemical Romance live at rock am ring 2007 so i'll do an encode from that i think i'll do I Don't Love You, i've got some Killers live stuff which is good but i'm not doing that coz of the whole universal artists stuff, although my personal encodes wouldn't be affiliated with you so should be okay but still don't wanna get you in hot water,

anyhoo expect My Chemical Romance - I Don't Love You (Rock Am Ring 2007) in x264 pretty soon

[Serch]

which he means by the deinterlaced source is very little deinterlaced, you won't see it when it's playing normally that it has any interlacing frames/fields in it and that applies to most videos that were shot in europe/australia. You could actually blend two fields of each frame together beacuse it's hardly noticable when compared to videos produced in states you get lots of interlacing beacuse of the framerate change, hence ivtc for ntsc sources....

as Frenchy said when we add XViDs we won't make them with the same or just little better quality, they will have to look better which means they will need higher bittrate (beacuse that's what matters for Q).
Avi isnt' best containter but it's most popular after mpeg and it's easily playable.
XViD/x264 differences were discussed in other topic on the forum, i've pointed out there why we'll be switching to XViD rather then x264.

[Elmo]

Okay here it is this is at like 1600kbps video
http://uploading.com/files/VY1ZSYWX/My%20Chemical%20Romance%20-%20I%20Don%27t%20Love%20You%20(Rock%20Am%20Ring%20 2007).mp4.html

I think i might do it again and put in the see saw brightening fuction to enhance some detail as the source is quite dark, it should improve it and make it prettier.

I tried out that logo thingy for funsies, i couldn't find a full explanation of how to use it anywhere so i just figured it out from looking at yours.

I cut it out of a large file so that explains the huge frame numbers in the trim script, i had to cut the audio by making a cut file and putting in the same frame numbers and it worked out quite nicely anyhoo here is my script.


DGDecode_mpeg2source("C:\DVD_VR\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.d2v",info=3)
ColorMatrix(hints=true,interlaced=true)
Load_Stdcall_Plugin("C:\Program Files\megui\tools\yadif\yadif.dll")
Yadif(order=1)
crop( 8, 36, -12, -36)


function VD_Logo(clip clip, int "x", int "y", int "alpha", bool "transparent",
\ int "xr", int "xg", int "xb", int "tolerance", string "filename",
\ bool "animate", int "start", int "duration", int "loops",
\ int "fadeinlen", int "fadeoutend", int "fadeoutlen")
{
LoadVirtualdubPlugin("C:\virtualdub mod\plugins"
\ +"\logo.vdf", "_VD_Logo", 1)
return clip._VD_Logo(default(x,0), default(y,0), default(alpha,128),
\ default(transparent,true)?1:0, default(xr,0), default(xg,0),
\ default(xb,255),default(tolerance,0), default
\ (filename,"C:\Users\8D\Pictures\Graeme's Pictures\Elmologo3.bmp"),
\ default(animate,false)?1:0, default(start,0), default(duration,0),
\ default(loops,0),default(fadeinlen,0),
\ default(fadeoutend,200), default(fadeoutlen,0))
}
ConvertToRGB32()
VD_logo(70,500,240,true,0,0,255,60,"C:\Users\8D\Pictures\Graeme's Pictures\Elmologo3.bmp",false,20916,0,0,25,21080,25)
ConvertToYV12()

LanczosResize(704,464) # Lanczos (Sharp)
Undot() # Minimal Noise

Trim(20916,26654)



I use Lanczos sharpen as there is always softening during the encoding process so that makes up for it and undot for minimal noise as just doing that little bit gives better compression without really effecting the finishing quality.

Might have a SeeSaw brightening function one up soon.

Might do Linkin Park live at rock am ring 2007 soon as that seems like a good source

[Elmo]

ah right i looked that up now, overlooked that post.
mhmm standalone players are only just starting to support x264 now, and it could be a little confusing for computer illiterate people although cccp sorts out everything for windows, vlc goes for apple computers and ubuntu will let you know and you just push a button and it downloads what's needed for you.

Anyhoo, i'll look into Xvid encoding. I'm just worried about you going too over the top with bitrates, as >3000kbps is just rediculous.

ah right i didn't know that about u.s t.v am in europe myself so never came across that.

i really don't think .avi is the way you guys should be going. Matroska is very out there as opposed to .mp4 which most systems should support, although Xvid seems to mess up when i create raw asp and try to mux to mp4 for me but i'm not used to encoding Xvid more used to x264.

Higher Bitrates will give higher qualities of course but with x264 and Xvid once bitrates reach a certain point the increase in quality becomes negligible and optimization of these formats give much better results at lower bitrates than what was attainable with mpeg-1.

good luck adding Xvid but down over do bitrates, looking at how i can only get .mp4 Xvid to work in vlc you'd probably be better off sticking to more compatible codecs like mkv, but if you must avi

do keep in mind x264 as a codec in the future as it does seriously kickass =]

[Elmo]

Did a .avi Xvid encode of Billy talent surrender video as the source was so pretty. the audio is 192kbps cbr mp3. Xvid video i gave to aim for 1800kbps in megui but it ended up giving me 2242kbps, dunno why it's usually on the button with x264 encoding but i'm sure it'll be sorted out. It's about 1000kbps less than the other Xvid encode but still great quality and i'm sure the quality would still be great at lower bitrates. anyhoo i did some screenshots for comparison with the source so you can see what it's like.
The result got slightly stretched by the resizing cropping process but looks good nonetheless, in one of the images you can see lines in the source due to the bit of interlacing but you can see the deinterlaced result with the xvid result. Will upload the Xvid file tomorrow so you can actually view it.

Source1
http://xs230.xs.to/xs230/08323/source1899.png.xs.jpg (http://xs230.xs.to/xs230/08323/source1899.png)

Xvid Encode1
http://xs230.xs.to/xs230/08323/xvid_encode1306.png.xs.jpg (http://xs230.xs.to/xs230/08323/xvid_encode1306.png)

Source2
http://xs230.xs.to/xs230/08323/source2222.png.xs.jpg (http://xs230.xs.to/xs230/08323/source2222.png)

Xvid Encode2
http://xs230.xs.to/xs230/08323/xvid_encode2985.png.xs.jpg (http://xs230.xs.to/xs230/08323/xvid_encode2985.png)

[Elmo]

Source3
http://xs230.xs.to/xs230/08323/source3872.png.xs.jpg (http://xs230.xs.to/xs230/08323/source3872.png)

Xvid Encode3
http://xs230.xs.to/xs230/08323/xvid_encode3843.png.xs.jpg (http://xs230.xs.to/xs230/08323/xvid_encode3843.png)

Source4
http://xs230.xs.to/xs230/08323/source4823.png.xs.jpg (http://xs230.xs.to/xs230/08323/source4823.png)

Xvid Encode4
http://xs230.xs.to/xs230/08323/xvid_encode4187.png.xs.jpg (http://xs230.xs.to/xs230/08323/xvid_encode4187.png)

[Elmo]

Source5
http://xs230.xs.to/xs230/08323/source5121.png.xs.jpg (http://xs230.xs.to/xs230/08323/source5121.png)

Xvid Encode5
http://xs230.xs.to/xs230/08323/xvid_encode5821.png.xs.jpg (http://xs230.xs.to/xs230/08323/xvid_encode5821.png)


Xvid file download coming soon =]

[Elmo]

I figured out why there was such a huge difference between the 1800kbps i designated for the encode and the 2242kbps i got; there was about 400kbps added by AVI overhead which increased the file size a whole lot more than it needed to be this is why i am opposed to AVI, MKV would be much better as would MP4 but i can't seem to get MP4 to give an output i can play through ffdshow directshow by using MeGui it will only play in vlc whereas MKV will play no matter what, i'm sure i'll be able to figure that one out though.

but the result is the bitrate of this Xvid video is in fact 1800kbps it just has a huge overhead,

Sample will be uploaded soon!

[Elmo]

Here's the Billy Talent Surrender Xvid .avi sample at 1800kbps video 192 kbps mp3 audio and ~400kbps .avi overhead

http://uploading.com/files/95J4UMIA/Billy%20Talent%20-%20Surrender.avi.html

[Elmo]

Nevermind that about the huge overhead. Xvid encoding just seems not to follow the bitrate i designate as i did an MP4 encode with the same setting with megui and checked the bitrates after with avinaptic and it was the same the average bitrate encoding must be a little weird in Xvid anyway with the Xvid overhead after everything it only added about 2MB to the avi file as opposed to the mp4 file which isn't too bad considering the file was about 70MB.

So yeah you should probably stick to Xvid in AVI with mp3 audio for compatibility at this stage as mp4 seems to mess up and mkv might confuse someone.

x264 in mkv with AAC-LC is a much better format but there's bound to be one person with that who can't understand why you can't just click it and it work and that you have to download a little thingy for it.

Anyhoo i'm gonna fiddle around with profiles in MeGui to see how i can get it to give back accurate bitrates

[Elmo]

I got bitrate defined Xvid working and did an encode of the same source with the same script but using 1000kbps Xvid encoding.
Here it is:http://uploading.com/files/5DQEC396/Billy%20Talent%20-%20Surrender%202.avi.html


Samples to compare with source and 2200kbps Xvid
I got these samples by matching the frames by eye so they might be a little bit off.

1000kbps Xvid Encode1
http://xs230.xs.to/xs230/08324/1000kbps_xvid_encode1449.png.xs.jpg (http://xs230.xs.to/xs230/08324/1000kbps_xvid_encode1449.png)

1000kbps Xvid Encode2
http://xs230.xs.to/xs230/08324/1000kbps_xvid_encode2392.png.xs.jpg (http://xs230.xs.to/xs230/08324/1000kbps_xvid_encode2392.png)

1000kbps Xvid Encode3
http://xs230.xs.to/xs230/08324/1000kbps_xvid_encode3762.png.xs.jpg (http://xs230.xs.to/xs230/08324/1000kbps_xvid_encode3762.png)

1000kbps Xvid Encode4
http://xs230.xs.to/xs230/08324/1000kbps_xvid_encode4758.png.xs.jpg (http://xs230.xs.to/xs230/08324/1000kbps_xvid_encode4758.png)

1000kbps Xvid Encode5
http://xs230.xs.to/xs230/08324/1000kbps_xvid_encode5367.png.xs.jpg (http://xs230.xs.to/xs230/08324/1000kbps_xvid_encode5367.png)

[Elmo]

I hope by comparing the qualities of these encodes you should see that you don't require such huge bitrates.

I always use Lanczos sharpen and at least minimal noise reduction on my encodes as they increase compressability for encoding whilst the output remains pretty much identical

[crash]

x264 in mkv with AAC-LC is a much better format but there's bound to be one person with that who can't understand why you can't just click it and it work and that you have to download a little thingy for it.

K-Lite Codec Pack or just VLC will play mkv.

And it would be appreciated if you upload your samples to megaupload (only 40 seconds for non-members, 25 seconds for non-premium members), as uploading.com has a dumb 3 minutes wait. :D

[Frenchy]

hence ivtc for ntsc sources....
I also found a good method, depending on the source to convert PAL Videos from American Telecine Sources (ie. 23.976p > 29.97 using 3:2 pulldown > 25 interlace with fieldblends)

Using the script Restore 24 or mrestore.

I have had some luck but unless the source is lossless or PDTV it probably won't look as good as it should.

This method removes most crap made by fieldblends and converts back to the native 23.976 just a method of IVTC with PAL sources.

[Elmo]

I used uploading.com as after the few minutes wait the download is full speed, i hate rapidshare as you only get around 40KB/s and haven't tried many other hosting sites.

for people who don't really understand anything about codecs i'd get them to install cccp haven't ever tried out k-lite but i'm sure it's quite similar, those codec packs will work on windows. i don't know about codec packs for mac but vlc is on all platforms and ubuntu sorts itself out.

i didn't imagine you'd need to use restore24 for music videos as they're made for t.v so would be at 29.97 frames in america as opposed to duplicating frames that they do from cinema as film runs at 24fps they need to add extra frames to bring it up to the right frame rate and they just speed it up to 25fps for pal.
oh wait sorry now i get what you mean, music videos made for pal 25fps shown at ntsc so there's duplicating and frameblending bringing it to the right frame rate.

i'm really not sure about NTSC sources as i've never done them myself, PAL sources should be no problem at all just use the deinterlacing script that megui recommends when you analyse the source. i'm really not sure about IVTC on NTSC sources as if they're made for t.v surely they'd be shot at the correct t.v frame rate.

i'm not sure if someone could upload an NTSC source that hasn't been deinterlaced so i could check the frames by eye to see what sort of duplication is going on it'd be much appreciated.

PAL sources should be fine, as far as I know Australia is PAL as Europe is. NTSC is in the U.S so that will affect your U.S rippers, i know you have rippers in Europe, Australia and the U.S but i don't know how many where so not sure how much of a problem this will be.

Anyhoo if someone could send me an undeinterlaced NTSC source it'd help

[Elmo]

Oh just wondering what you mean by PDTV just to clarify that thanks =]

[Serch]

blending will never give you good enough results and ivtc should only be used for sources that are in 29.97fps framerate doing 3:2 pulldown from 25fps source will just mess it up.

Elmo at what resolution do you have your desktop set and what kind of graphic card/display are you using? beacuse if you don't see any difference between 1000kbps and 3000kbps then you have to be watching at very low resolution or you just don't notice the blurness and lots of blocks

[Elmo]

My source is PAL, going through the frames in the source there are duplicated frames as there would be in NTSC.

i know frameblending won't give good results and that IVTC has to be used on an NTSC source to get rid of duplicated frames to bring it back to the original 24FPS of film.

I was just wondering if, as they made to go directly to T.V, what frame rate music videos would be recorded at. Logically it would make sense for them to be recorded at 25FPS and extra duplicated frames added for NTSC, as if you sped 24fps music video up to 25fps the audio would have to be sped up too and that would make the song slightly shorter, and going through my source there are definitely no duplicated frames in the source and the audio is the same from the source as from c.d, you would notice a slight pitch shift and the song would be shorter if it was different.
if this was the case that they did record at 25fps using restore24 wouldn't be right as you'd get rid of too many frames, that why i'd like someone to give me an undeinterlaced NTSC source so i can count the duplicate frames.

As for comparing the >3000kbps file and the 1000kbps you can't they're from different sources. The >3000kbps file is a live recording that has been downsized from HD recording and then broadcast as 576i. Looking at my files list at uploading.com no-one has yet downloaded my 1000kbps encode to compare it to my 2200kbps. The source music video uses a lot of blurring and focusing on certain things so it's hard to compare for blurring. if you don't feel like downloading the file just look at the pictures i uploaded so you can compare the frames.

There is definitely quality loss as you go to lower bitrates, but my point is that >3000kbps is just over the top and pointless and that your target bitrate should be much much lower.

as for the my chemical romance rock am ring encode the source quality from there was pretty crap, they mustn't have had decent cameras for mcr.

The Dear God video uses lots of blurring also.

If someone wants to upload a source for me to do sample encodes from it would be much appreciated.

Also an undeinterlaced NTSC source would be nice to check the frames on.

As for watching in low resolution i'm using a 1280x800 res screen on laptop, i can do a check on a 32" HD tv but i know there is quality reduction between 2000kbps and 1000kbps, but my point is with codecs like x264 and Xvid quality reduction at lower bitrates isn't anywhere near as bad as mpeg-1 and it gives quite good quality.

if the tone of this is anyway harsh nevermind it, i'm just in a bit of a hurry =]

[Elmo]

there's best of oxegen 2008 on in a while so i'll record that in highest quality and make a rip from that =]

[crash]

I used uploading.com as after the few minutes wait the download is full speed, i hate rapidshare as you only get around 40KB/s and haven't tried many other hosting sites.

Give megaupload.com a try. Many are able to get high speeds from it. And i've got your 1000kbps Billy Talent, and the MCR Rock Am Ring rip. The Billy Talent one looks decent, while the poor quality MCR rip is caused by the source, as you have mentioned. I'm not so much a video savvy person, so can't give much comments. :D

[Elmo]

thanks dude =] i'll use megaupload.com for uploads from here on then so you don't have to wait ages =]

the counters on uploading.com must be a little slow, anyhoo if you do compare. compare the 1000kbps Surrender with the 2400kbps Surrender as they're from the exact same source.

i just got loads of live at Oxegen 2008 stuff so should put up a list from that soon so just let me know what stuff you want me to encode and upload and maybe suggest different bitrates so you can compare maybe 1000kbps 1500kbps 1800kbps 2000kbps, i dunno just suggest something so you can compare.

list of stuff from oxegen to request to encode will be up soon, have quite a bit of r.e.m too if you want that i'm not really into r.e.m myself but whatever

LISTS SOON =]

[crash]

thanks dude =] i'll use megaupload.com for uploads from here on then so you don't have to wait ages =]

i just got loads of live at Oxegen 2008 stuff so should put up a list from that soon so just let me know what stuff you want me to encode and upload and maybe suggest different bitrates so you can compare maybe 1000kbps 1500kbps 1800kbps 2000kbps, i dunno just suggest something so you can compare.

Okay. Looking forward to that. :D

[Elmo]

THE LIST

The Zutons - You Will You Won't (live night time)
We Are Scientists - The Great Escape (live day time)
Editors - Smokers Outside Hospital Doors (live day time)
The Raconteurs - Salute Your Solution (live kinda twilighty not sure =P)
Kings Of Leon - On Call (live night time)
Interpol - Mammoth (live night time)
Panic At The Disco - I Write Sins Not Tragedies (live day time)
R.E.M - Man On The Moon (live night time)
Kaiser Chiefs - Ruby (live day time) Universal =/
The Fratellis - Chelsea Dagger (live day time) Universal =/
The Kooks - Shine On (live day time)
a very weird orangina advert which played a few times in the middle which i think everyone should see =]

There's so more R.E.M stuff if you want a list ask me for it as I'm not that bothered with R.E.M

[Elmo]

i'll try and get up early to start encoding this stuff which should be in about 7 to 9 hours depending, i'll pick something i like randomly if there's no requests and will start doing ones that are requested when requested =]

[Elmo]

if you'll be asking for high bitrates or lots of encodes keep in mind my upload speed is about 256kb/s so that might keep me back a bit, but i should be able to work on encodes as i upload so yeah. sleep time now

[crash]

Panic at the disco and kaiser chiefs would be good. About the bitrate, try 1000 or 1500kbps, depending on your source, and we'll see how it goes from there. :D

[Elmo]

Okay have them done, did them all 1500kbps

Panic At the disco i did one xvid not completely cropping the black bars, then another xvid cropping them, and then an x264 the same with aac audio in .mp4

kaiser chiefs i did one xvid it needed less cropping so black bars all cropped, and an x264 too.

all bitrates are ~1500kbps video in Xvid and x264 and ~192kbps audio in mp3 or aac.

uploading now should be uploaded after a while bandwidth is a bit of a limit at 256kbps

and they're all going to megaupload.com

=]

[Elmo]

First of all


Panic At The Disco - I Write Sins Not Tragedies (Live Oxegen 2008)

Xvid ~1500kbps with bars http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZL9RHOL0

Xvid ~1500kbps fully cropped http://www.megaupload.com/?d=F9XXZAAC

x264 ~1500kbps fully cropped http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3DD7I22W


they're all about the same bitrate the x264 is slightly larger as the bitrate ended up being slightly above what i specified and the Xvid ended up slightly below what i specified.

[Elmo]

Kaiser Chiefs - Ruby (Live Oxegen 2008)

Xvid ~1500kbps http://www.megaupload.com/?d=M31Q8X1L

x264 ~1500kbps http://www.megaupload.com/?d=M31Q8X1L

enjoy

[Elmo]

woops,

the x264 link is actually this http://www.megaupload.com/?d=JEDZIFF3

i can't see any option to edit my post so yeah there.

[crash]

Okay thanks for doing so many samples. Will give some feedback after i've gotten all of them. :D

[Elmo]

thanks no problem, the only thing is uploading slowing me down.

for anybody else who wants to play the files and are having any trouble get this the k-lite codec pack it will allow you to play x264, Xvid everything in windows media player or whatever http://www.free-codecs.com/download/K_lite_codec_pack.htm

enjoy, looking forward to feedback, will be able to do different bitrates and other videos if you want. if you'd like a higher bitrate i'd say the next step up would be 1800kbps.

laters

[crash]

Okay i've downloaded both XviD and x264 versions of the video. Both look about the same to me. The Xvid seems to have more brightness (or some technical term that i dont really know :D). And lastly, is the average quality on the video caused by the low bitrate, or its just the source?

[Elmo]

pretty sure it's just the source, camera quality at festivals like that seem to be a bit crappy as there's a lot of movement and usually quite out of focus.

anyhoo if you wanna check if it's the source, i could do an encode at a much higher bitrate to check

maybe 1800kbps, 2000kbps, 2300kbps, 2500kbps. i'd prob go for 2300kbps to make sure it's the source.

but i'd say 1800kbps should be enough for future encodes. I do think 1500kbps is a bit low. Used to about 1800kbps being transparent on x264 encodes not sure about Xvid yet.

let me know what you want

[crash]

Okay go for 1800kbps to check the source. Also encode the orangina advert. :D

[Elmo]

Did a ~2300kbps Xvid to be absolutely sure, looks like it must be the source to me. I'll let you check it out for a second opinion when it's uploaded.

gonna do that orangina advert pretty soon =]

[Elmo]

here's the ~2300kbps Xvid. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=T5RCO2XU

orangina ad coming soon

[Elmo]

it seems that there is quality loss from yadif at deinterlacing

so i looked up the avisynth site and found a filter called weave which should work much better http://avisynth.org/mediawiki/Weave/[url] so i'm gonna try that instead.

here is the orangina Xvid advert at ~1800kbps [url]http://www.megaupload.com/?d=FSP51OST which is done with yadif.

i'm gonna write a weave script in and remove the yadif script and do an encode with it to see the difference

[Elmo]

x264 here http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HRXCPDFV

just gonna do weave thing now

[Elmo]

after checking that out, yadif is fine no problem with that

[crash]

Yeah its the source that has the lousy quality. :D Btw the orangina ad is really weird. :lmao:

[Elmo]

i KNOW it's so so weird,


it must've been on like nearly every advert break in the one and a half hour recording and it's like a minute long and it's soo weird.

i added the other bit on at the end as it was at the very end of the show before the ad break started and there was something about it that i liked i dunno what it was it just had a certain something, juste un peu je ne sais quoi mais je l'aime vraiment, c'est tres drole. sorry got carried away there, school should be starting soon and i haven't been speaking french in a while. and while i'm at it i'll just use my favourite phrase which i think works in every occasion.

je viens de venir dans mon pantalons =P

[crash]

je viens de venir dans mon pantalons =P

Hey thats some explicit shit there. :lmao:

[Elmo]

do you, does anyone want anymore stuff from that list as i think i might start encoding it and upping some anyway probably starting with the kooks.

oh went to muse in marlay park the other day just so you know it totally kicked ass. just so you know like.

anyhoo let me know if you want anything and what bitrates or whatever laters.

i think 1800kbps is the best standard bitrate. IMO. tis gooooooood =] and transparent and shizzle. could get transparent at lower bitrates but it all depends on the video. 1800kbps is the best as if there's something with a lot of movement it won't be lost, doesn't really matter about the overkill on calmer videos. anyhooo later!